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Worship Wars Roundtable at Regent May 19, 2009

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just attended a talk about “Worship Wars” at Regent with Marva Dawn, Ross Hastings, and Andrea Tisher (Regent’s music and worship coordinator). 

The following are a few notes from the conversation:

What do we mean about worship wars

  • usually, clash of musical styles, content, lyrics
  • Purpose of worship, directed where, to whom – more for God’s ppl or those outside the church

Ross

  • Felt he lived through the worship wars, and its passé
  • Tried for a blended service, and had to deal with critics on both side
  • Now, he has 3 worship services for both styles,
  • Feels there’s a new ‘war’ today
  • This is to get ppl back to the core liturgy from the ancients
  • He is contextualizing worship, and not to think that is naieve
  • If you don’t contextualize it, you create a subculture
  • Worship is for God with an eye for mission
  • Contextualize in terms of music style and taste, almost generationally
  • To fail to do so is not responsible
  • Remove as many barriers in the way we do church
  • There was not a loss of generational unity
  • Ppl of all ages attended all 3 services

Marva

  • From ‘reaching out without dumbing down’
  • Every worship service is contemporary because we’re doing it now
  • Every worship is traditional because we’re worshipping God
  • Musical styles is an idolatry
  • To insist that you have your own style over God is idolatry
  • From ‘a royal waste of time’
  • Talking about the different musical styles, etc
  • Shouldn’t make worship services utilitarian, as the primary means of evangelism
  • It becomes a cop out for our personal evangelism

Marva on 3 services

  • She works with a church that has 3 services
  • Has a difficult time with the very contemporary service because there are not enough songs that follow the liturgical service
  • The liturgical calendar should be a gift to the world
  • Worship is not traditional and contemporary, it’s all contemporary
  • Just use these labels to argue with each other

Ross

  • Would say it can be idolatrous
  • Would rather say worship is missional
  • In current evangelical churches, there is lack of depth in the catholicity of our worship traditions

Marva

  • From her third book argued that worship is based on the ancient Judaica
  • Deeply rooted in the history of the OT

Ross

  • What defines worship
  • Eucharist – the centering core of worship
  • Participation in triune God (missing from today)
  • We protestants are Trinitarian in faith, but palegian in worship (through works)
  • Worship should have contemplation and silence

Comment from crowd

  • Some have responded with blended worship, or separate services
  • But Regent goes a third way, and tries to draw from proper liturgy while properly contextual

Marva

  • Just want to object to use of word ‘blended’
  • Don’t want stuff blended into a bland puree
  • But instead, each music would have its own integrity
  • So every hymn is played like a song and it no longer has a hymnic majesty/lament
  • Would like to use the music of the whole world, but let’s be faithful to it
  • (Sven) Robert Webber uses the word ‘convergent’
  • else you are colonist

Ross

  • Perhaps the worship wars was needed to help the church grow
  • Back to issue of newer songs lacking content with the cross, or the trinity
  • But ex of Brian Doerkson, see his development, he wrote a song in his new album called the ‘triune God’
  • The churches who are judged as ‘good’ is all about the pastor or the worship leader
  • Church should be judged about the centrality of another person, Jesus, so that’s why eucharist should be central
  • Reformers say ‘Word and Sacrament’

Andrea

  • Has encountered contemporary songs that are bad, but also hymns that have bad theology
  • The critique against repetition (7-11 songs, that sing 7 words 11 times), is not valid
  • Ie. Bach, Handel, etc

Ross

  • Biblical literacy is shown to be better in liturgical churches because it has more scripture read

Marva

  • In mainline churches (which is described as dying), they read 4 parts of scripture every service

Andrea

  • There is a hunger for more scripture being read, not just preached

Marva

  • There is a need for hearing the scriptures read well. Need to train readers

Comment from the crowd

  • There is also a liturgical illiteracy, ppl don’t understand the structure, so it gets old and stale
  • Ppl don’t know the liturgical calendar so are even more confuse
  • Is it right for buildling our services based on others outside the church

Ross

  • It’s a complex issue
  • Missional factor is part of it
  • 1 Cor 14 – don’t just do whatever you want, some new person will come in and say you’re nuts
  • we’re here to do worship with structure that ppl can come in and worship God
  • reading a book that proposes protestant worship with catholic substance
  • so you have worship that is both wide and deep
  • concerned with saints of the past and what they said

Comment from crowd

  • What does it mean to be seeker sensitive?
  • Person attended an orthodox church, had a person sit down with her to explain it
  • Sometimes we push it on the service, but shouldn’t we own up to it and do it ourselves

Marva

  • One of problems of our vocab – “user friendly” churches
  • Where is the locus of hospitality, not in the service, building, but in the people
  • Missional emphasis, our congregation needs huge training

Andrea

  • Liturgy is done at every service
  • Perhaps it’s just a manner of the degree in formality and thoughtfulness
  • In a worship course, the class said to worship means they are focused on Jesus
  • Yet our worship services are places where it’s hard to focus on Jesus
  • We haven’t defined what it means to focus on Jesus
  • And we haven’t explained what God is doing, it’s all about me

Marva

  • Recommend James Torrance – worship, community and the triune God

Born Digital – Introduction May 7, 2009

Posted by yuling in Reading, Technology.
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I’m starting off my thesis research with a book that has a similar purpose, methodology, concern, and scope. If only I could’ve written my thesis before John Palfrey and Urs Gasser were able to publish this primer to the digital world. In any case, I’m grateful for their research, and I’ll be quoting A TON from Born Digital: Understanding the First Generation of Digital Natives

for the rest go HERE.

My Thesis Proposal – Technologizing of Faith May 4, 2009

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I’m going to just put tidbits of my faith/tech blog from now on, with a link to the actual site. This blog will be more about my inner journey and other fun things.

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The official title of my thesis (so far) is The Technologizing of Faith: An Ethnographic Study of the Internet Practices of Christian University Students Evaluated in light of the work of Marshall McLuhan and Albert Borgmann.

Yes I know it’s not very catchy, but apparently for academic work, I need to be as detailed as possible, even if that means my thesis title is 4 lines long :P .

The following is my thesis proposal (minus footnotes and bibliography… which makes up 1/3 of the paper). The end result may differ dramatically from this original thesis proposal. I think it’ll be interesting to chronicle my journey of thesis writing and share the joys and challenges that goes with it. 

Go HERE for the the full proposal.

A Stumbling Journey towards getting your Thesis Proposal Approved May 1, 2009

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This post is taken from my faith and tech blog:

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To clear the air, I have to praise God that my Thesis proposal was approved at the beginning of April.

Now that I’ve finished my first school term at Regent and have some time off before the summer term begins, I have a few thoughts about my journey in getting my thesis proposal approved.

Starting with a Good Idea

Way back when I started thinking about pursuing a ThM at Regent, I already had a general problem that I wanted to research. From my background as a campus staff worker, I wanted to know how technology (specifically Internet related technology) affects University students and I wanted to research this question by means of ethnographic research. I submitted a letter of intent to Regent, outlining the basic argument to my potential thesis (which is similar to what I wrote in this post, HERE), got accepted, and then tried to come up with a definite thesis idea.

Reading for Ideas

One of my first courses at Regent was Christianity and Modern Technology taught by Craig M. Gay. The assigned readings for the class (Postman’s Technopoly and Guardini’s Letters from Lake Como) were helpful in getting me thinking about how technology shapes society. Our class also had a reader with various articles/chapters from different authors, thinkers, scholars who have varying viewpoints about technology. Craig also included a good bibliography that highlighted many other good books about technology.

What I’m getting at is that early on in thesis research (even before settling on a specific topic), you have to read widely and maybe some kind ‘o wonderful will emerge out of the readings.

Getting Supervision

I can’t stress how crucial it is in having a good supervisor for your thesis. At the beginning of the term, I approached Craig to ask for help about the entire thesis writing process. Since he was the person overseeing the ThM students, he answered a lot of my questions. Also, because his interests are in the area of technology, he became my supervisor.

Throughout the term, I met with him another 3-4 times and we hashed out a preliminary timeline for my thesis. We identified certain milestones (ie. getting research done, finalizing specific topic for thesis, and submitting my thesis proposal).

Doing School and Research at the Same Time

Having to attend classes and churning out assignments was quite challenging in the Regent environment. Having to do this while I’m working on a thesis proposal was barely manageable… but I got it done (by living in the library). I met up with Prof John Stackhouse early on in the term (I’m in his epistemology class) and he suggested that I treat my thesis work as another class – setting aside proper time for assigned readings and writing. That was great advice and that’s the way I was able to piece together my vague notions about technology and faith and begin to write down something coherent by way of a thesis.

If I were to discern the time I spent on my thesis proposal, and compare it to my classes, I would guess that my thesis proposal would be the same amount of time as two master level classes.

Overcoming Hurdles

Perhaps the biggest hurdle that I found out halfway through my term at Regent was that I only had a few months to submit a thesis proposal. Because I began my schooling in January, I had assumed I could submit a proposal sometime in the summer, and work on my research the other half of the year. Which leads me to one important concept for thesis writing.

NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING.

Apparently, the last submission date was end of April, so really I only had less than 2 months to write a thesis proposal. Then, I find out later that this date was when a committee would review my thesis. Instead, I had to submit my thesis by early April. So in total, I had less than 3 weeks to submit my thesis proposal.

Imagine my shock when I was not notified by Regent about this bizarre timeline, my thesis supervisor was also surprised by the dates, and here am I wondering how can I do this under the gun while having other final essays and exams to complete.

I just plugged in my headphones, listened to music, and started to write. I will definitely be more proactive with my work in the future, perhaps even pestering professors ad nauseam.

Oh yeah, I also begged the head of the thesis review committee (Hans Boersma) to give me an extension for my thesis (might as well ask, right?). Thankfully, he gave me a weekend extension.

The Benefits of Good Supervision

After I told Craig about the tight deadline, he offered to help out anyway he could. I gave him a brief outline of my first attempt at a thesis (without even having a solid thesis topic yet), and he helped guide my thinking.

Meanwhile, I began the first draft of my thesis proposal and by the end of a few days, I submitted my first attempt to Craig. Since I was in two of Craig’s classes, I knew how little time he had for me – yet, he was able to quickly edit my draft and offer a few suggestions of his own. We did quite a few of this back and forth via email – I submitted something, Craig edited and offered a few comments, then I would submit another draft. In the end, I think I submitted 1 outline and 4 drafts to Craig before officially submitting my thesis proposal to the committee.

Daring to be Unique

One of the things Craig told me early on was that my thesis proposal was pretty unique. Due to my ethnographic research component, he wasn’t sure if my thesis proposal would be approved. In fact, during the editing stage, he removed many of my ethnographic research remarks. I’m guessing it was in order to put more emphasis on the traditional scholarly research by highlighting the arguments that I would assert after studying many books.

In spite of this warning, I felt I wanted to include this crucial component. In true interdisciplinary style, I wanted to write a thesis that combines good scholarship and qualitative study and see if the result would be a fruitful dialogue. I wanted something that was theologically informed but conveyed with the words and ideas of students.

Ultimately, everything worked out. I received the wonderful news from the committee that they approved my thesis. So right now, I’m beginning to chronicle what I’ll be reading, my thoughts on various authors, and perhaps even start interviewing campus staff workers and students for my ethnographic research. In the meantime, please pray for me as this is quite a long and stumbling journeys towards getting my thesis finished within a year.

My first time at Whistler April 10, 2009

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Glad to say I’m almost done my first term at Regent! Also, since it’s a time of reflection/confession on Good Friday, I thought it would be good for me to ‘finally’ share updates about my journey so far… mainly my time at Whistler two weekends ago.

Glad I was able to go on this trip organized by a fellow UofWaterloo Alumni, John H. We were trying to get a trip up to Whistler (only 2 hrs from Vancouver) for a while, and he was able to slap together a trip with Denni L. (another UWer), and some of their friends. And off we went to Whistler. 

We left Vancouver late friday night and probably went to sleep a little past 2 am. When we woke up early to go snowboarding, unfortunately it was very clouded and foggy (boo, no view). BUT, it was lightly snowing which means POWDER up on top of the mountain. We stuck to Whistler mountain the whole day.

So first thing that struck me, was that as we boarded onto these gondolas at the base of the mountain I couldn’t see the top of Whistler mountain. 

Already getting into a gondola instead of a ski lift was bizarre (used to my small hills in Ontario). As we’re inside the thing, we chatted it up with some older boarders who’s been boarding for the whole week. Insane. The ride up to took a good 10-15 minutes and you only go up to around 3796 feet.  

When we finally got off, I decided that I try to be ‘regular’ for the entire day (meaning, boarding with my left foot first). I strapped on my boots onto the board (lent to me by Jesse C, another UWer), and we went down a few green runs, the variations of the Marmot trail

After the TWO RUNS, and it being my second time snowboarding ever… these good friends of mine decide to take me to the peak. Even though I could barely carve, I figured I might as well go up to the very top. So off we went, ski to the lift that would take us to the very top of Whistler Mountain.

Already I knew I was in for a world of pain. I’ve been falling quite a bit, but the snow was nice. I understood what people meant by boarding on POWDER feeling like floating on clouds. It was fun. Now, to get to the peak lifts, good ol’ Dennis took us through a ’shortcut’… the moguls. No wonder nobody else went down that route. I ended up sliding down half of them on my butt.

Finally arriving at the peak in the early afternoon, here’s the picture to prove it.

 

Yes that says Whistler Mountain Peak Lookout Elevation: 2182 m / 7160 ft

Insane.

If you were to compare Whistler to Blue Mountain (elevation of 1483 ft), that’s not even a quarter of Whistler. So sad.

Another fun thing to see at the top of Whistler Mountain is the Inuksuk, the native stone landmarks that are now being used as the logo for the Vancouver Olympics. 

At the peak of Whistler mountain, the fluffy snow on the ground level has turned into a full blown blizzard. I couldn’t see maybe 10-15 metres in front of me. And it was cold! My goodness. 

Now Dennis was the most experienced boarder among the three of us (him, John, and myself). So he wanted to take us to the famous Peak to Creek blue trail. It would be my first blue run and supposedly a really fun one. So first thing Dennis does, he takes us past a roped off area that had a SIGN that told us not to go that way. I guess he thought there would be a shortcut. We ended up going for a few seconds, then climbing back up the mountain cause it was a cliffside :P .

When we finally went down Peak to Creek, it was fun… initially. Then, it began to hurt. Then, I wanted to quit. I heard it takes a pro maybe 20-30 mins to go down the whole thing. Well, it took me TWO HOURS. 

What I didn’t realize was that when we had light, fluffy snow at the top, the middle part of the mountain was turning into ice. I also hit upon many flat patches and had to get off my board and walk so many times. When I hit the ice, I must’ve fell at least once every 5 seconds or so. 

Three particular falls were memorable at this point. First, I slipped on ice, fell on my butt, but stretched out my arms behind me to brace myself. I felt my left shoulder pop a few times and I had to sit for a good 10 mins for the pain to die down. Second, during the middle of the Peak to Creek run, you go in this little tunnel. I totally collided into this other skier (sorry again dude if you’re reading this). Third, as I was going down further on the ice (probably 1 1/2 hours into this run), I did a face plant but carried so much moment that my legs went over my head. It didn’t help that this was right in front of a huge group who was resting. 

Good times. Painful times.

Finally, the snow started to melt and get quite a bit slushy. I was getting closer to the ground and the fog was lifting higher so now I had quite a view of the original Whistler village – Creekside.

Yes those little houses down there are the village. I still had quite a ways to go. 

I think the time now was close to 2pm. I was boarding close to John but we had lost Dennis, he had gone way ahead of us. Since my legs were getting really tired, I had to take the easiest route to Creekside.

At Creekside, John and I went to one of the restaurants, ate for a few minutes, and Dennis quickly came down the mountain. Apparently he had LAPPED US. When he waited and didn’t see us, he boarded down quickly and went all the way back up to check if we were stuck anywhere along the run. Too funny. Kinda embarrassing.

So after our 2pm lunch, I was contemplating going back to the lodge. My legs were totally shot. At diff points of the day, I felt like I pulled my calves, quads, hamstrings, and ankles. It also realized that borrowing someone else’s board that doesn’t fit you fell is bad news – the shoes were a bit too tight, but the ankle support was too loose for me. In the end, my buddies coaxed me to go up 3/4 of the mountain again. They would do a few blue/black runs, and I took the easy run through the Ego Bowl down through the Olympic green run, all the way to Whistler Village. I tried to practice carving again but I was so tired I couldn’t make do. 

Finally, after a long day of falling, tumbling, hitting my head (thank God I had a helmet), cutting my knee, almost dislocating my shoulder, and feeling like one big ache… I reached the bottom of Whistler Village and it’s neverending racks of snowboards and skis.

The next day, I wished I could go up the mountain again. It was nice blue skies, great snow, but I was a giant pile of sore muscles. So instead, John and I went around sight seeing. First thing, here’s the view of Whistler from the Village.

Unfortunately, the mountain is sloped so you can’t even really see the peak when you’re that close to the base of the mountain. But all in all, a very pretty sight.

We also checked out the Whistler Sliding Centre – where they’re having Olympic bobsledding, luge, and skeleton

It’s crazy that you can go up to the guardrails, you are literally only a few centimetres from the bobsledders going down potentially 200 km/hr. Hopefully they’ll move the rails a few feet backwards.

As we were leaving Whistler, we also got to see 2 other Olympic landmarks.

First, the ski jump.

I can’t imagine the stress/pressure on your body when you leave.

We also checked out the biathlon course. It was great to see an actual competition on an Olympic course.

All in all, it was an awesome time. I think I’ll need a few more runs on the local hills before I go back to really take advantage of Whistler.

Thanks again guys.

Back to School, back to blogging, back to tweeting? March 24, 2009

Posted by yuling in Regent, Technology.
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Back from March reading week, and what did I do? Read, write, and sleep. 

I’ll have a major paper/presentation due tomorrow (which is what I’ve been focusing on during the past week), and after that I’ll be able to focus on my research thesis proposal which is ‘kinda’ due on monday, Mar 30. 

Doesn’t help that this weekend I’ll be off to WHISTLER!

So ideally after my major paper/presentation, and my thesis proposal, I will have more time for blogging, which is what I’m doing right now.

And for some strange reason, TWITTER is the new thing amongst friends again. I’ll get back on, and see what happens.

Reading week March 16, 2009

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March reading week here at Regent College in Vancouver… and what am I doing?

Well, I’m actually READING – my goodness. So no real break over reading week – still need to finish a major paper/presentation for my Epistemology class with John Stackhouse, working on my thesis proposal that’s due in April, and just reading as much as I can about faith and technology.

Of course if I was in Toronto, I wouldn’t have much of a reading week either. I would be at TEEN’S CONFERENCE 2009

Thank God i’ll have a bit of a break end of March when I head up to… wait for it… WHISTLER. It’ll be my very first time up there, looking forward to it.

Also, here’s another faith/tech book review that I put up on my thesis blog, check it out: HERE.

I can’t believe I have midterms again March 3, 2009

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The lack of blogging is due to the increase (volume AND frequency) of tests, papers, and thesis.

First of all, this week is midterm week for me. Which is not TOO bad, given that I only have one midterm. But add on top of this that I have major papers due every week in March… that’s not a lot of fun.

Plus, I’m setting a hard deadline of submitting my thesis proposal by April 16 (last date before the proposal committee meets again in the Fall term). Hopefully i can squeeze enough research in between my course assignments and readings.

Ah… life of a graduate student. I love and hate it at the same time.

Technopoly by Neil Postman February 20, 2009

Posted by yuling in Faith and Tech.
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from my research blog: faithandtechnology.wordpress.com

Neil Postman is a media theorist, cultural critic, and famous author of Amusing Ourselves to Death. In this book, Technopoly, he suggests that culture is being surrendered to technology.

Very interesting.

For my brief summary, go HERE.

My first snowboarding adventure February 15, 2009

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My first snowboarding adventure was… wait for it… legendary.

Yesterday, I went with a bunch of friends to Cypress Mountain, one of the local mountains in Vancouver and official freestyle skiing and snowboarding venue for the 2010 Winter Olympics.

I arrived there around 11am, strapped on my boots and gear and headed outside. It was a bright, sunny morning and the picturesque landscape was a perfect backdrop for my first snowboarding lesson.

So first things my friends do to me is PUSH ME around, helping me try to figure out my stance on my board, whether I’m ‘regular’ (left foot first) or ‘goofy’ (right foot first). Apparently I may be ambidextrous which proves to be a difficulty for the rest of my day. Several tests that you can administer to discover your lead foot is by taking your first step after a push (for me, it was my left foot), or what is your dominate foot used to do a hockey stop (my right foot first), and kicking a soccer ball (right foot). Anyways, ultimately I tried being ‘goofy’ the entire time.

Before we began going on any trails on the mountain (go HERE for the map), I just tried to get my balance on the board and sliding a few feet on the ground. After a few minutes, it was trial by fire as we went up the Easy Rider lift and tried to do a few things on the easy slope.

My first challenge: stand up on the board from a sitting position onto my heels. Wow, it was near impossible for me. I’m not sure why it was so difficult for me – my height, weight, bad flexibility, etc. But in any case, I couldn’t stand up straight without falling down the hill already. And of course, this results in multiple falls on my butt.

After a few dozen attempts, my friends suggested that I try starting with my face towards the snow and stand up on my toes. I did that immediately – which apparently is rather different from most people. I’ll discover throughout the day that I have some rather peculiar snowboarding traits. Another hour of falling down and getting up and I was finally able to start standing up on my heelside, and eventually do a basic falling leaf pattern on my heelside, and on my toe side.

After lunch, I practiced a few more times on the bunny hill, then off we went to one of the nice green runs called, Collins.

On the Collins run, I tried to start going from my toeside to my heelside, and vice versa. The weird thing again is that I can’t figure out my dominant foot. Sometimes I would ski down the slopes with my left foot first, and other times with my right foot. This makes turning even more bizarre, because I would turn so many different ways and apparently I should just stick to one way of turning until I become pro then I can do whatever I want. Somewhere along the way, I was able to start linking my turns, and other times I crashed hard.

Finally, close to the end of the day, I ‘graduated’ to the last green run called Panorama. This run had some nice sweeping views of the other mountains.

Now on the same run, Panorama, you have a great view of Vancouver. Too bad it was cloudy by the time I could ski on this run. Vancouver is way down below past the treeline.

I’m thankful I’m not THAT sore. Even after falling so many times, my butt’s not too bad. I was also afraid I may have sprained my wrists when falling down so many times but they’re ok. So what do I think after my first snowboarding experience? I think I could enjoy doing this as a regular sport. I love being so close to the mountains, and when I didn’t yell out in frustration from falling ANOTHER time, I found myself saying a little prayer of thanksgiving for the wonderful surroundings.

Must do this again.